Tuesday, April 7, 2015

Ramanan — Interest Rate, Growth And Debt Sustainability

John Maynard Keynes’ biggest disservice to the profession is to not start with the open economy.
Of course, this is not only due to Keynes, although as the founder of macroeconomics, he can be claimed that he started it. Most macroeconomists still begin with focus on the nation since macro is based on national accounts.

I have been saying for some time, along with Ramanan and others, that economists need to start focusing chiefly on the global economy as a closed economy, that is, a complex system with entangled webs of elements and relationships in overlapping groups, and a vast network with many nodes. Nation state play an important part in this, of course, and since the time of Keynes, so do international institutions developed subsequently. In addition, owing to advances in communications and transportation technology, the world is "shrinking" and becoming more integrated, with interdependence rising. The combined role of the social, political and economic is also being increasingly recognized as institutions play a greater part, with the result that those who control these institutions set the institutional arrangements that become socially, politically and economically influential if not determinative.

The balance of payment issues to which Ramanan has been pointing for some time is just one of many issues and issue types that need to be taken in account, just in economics. There are many others, as we are becoming woefully aware through the advent of climate change and the threat of pandemics, for instance.

The closest thing to a comprehensive view that I can think of historically is Bucky Fuller's World Game (I've adjusted the paragraphing for easier reading here).
In the 1960's Buckminster Fuller proposed a “great logistics game” and “world peace game” (later shortened to simply, the “World Game”) that was intended to be a tool that would facilitate a comprehensive, anticipatory, design science approach to the problems of the world. The use of “world” in the title obviously refers to Fuller's global perspective and his contention that we now need a systems approach that deals with the world as a whole, and not a piece meal approach that tackles our problems in what he called a “local focus hocus pocus” manner.
The entire world is now the relevant unit of analysis, not the city, state or nation. For this reason, World Game programming generally used Fuller's Dymaxion Map for the plotting of resources, trends, and scenarios essential for playing. We are, in Fuller's words, onboard Spaceship Earth, and the illogic of 200 nation state admirals all trying to steer the spaceship in different directions is made clear through the metaphor - as well in Fuller's more caustic assessment of nation states as “blood clots” in the world's global metabolism.
The logic for the use of the word “game” in the title is even more instructive. It says a lot about Fuller's approach to governance and social problem solving. Obviously intended as a very serious tool, Fuller choose to call his vision a “game” because he wanted it seen as something that was accessible to everyone, not just the elite few in the power structure who thought they were running the show. In this sense, it was one of Fuller's more profoundly subversive visions.
Fuller wanted a tool that would be accessible to everyone, whose findings would be widely disseminated to the masses through a free press, and which would, through this ground-swell of public vetting and acceptance of solutions to society's problems, ultimately force the political process to move in the direction that the values, imagination and problem solving skills of those playing the democratically open world game dictated. It was a view of the political process that some might think naive, if they only saw the world for what it was when Fuller was proposing his idea (the 1960s) - minus personal computers and the Internet.
The playing field was not to be so much as leveled, or expanded, but the good 'ol boy political process was to subverted out of existence by a process that brings Thomas Jefferson into the twentieth century. In order to have this kind of power, the game needed to have the kind of information and tools for manipulating that information that empowers. It needed a comprehensive database that would provide the players of the world game with better data than their politically elected or appointed counterparts.
They needed an inventory of the world's vital statistics--where everything was and in what quantities and qualities, from minerals to manufactured goods and services, to humans and their unmet needs as well as capabilities. They also needed an information source that monitored the current state of the world, bringing vital news into the “game room” live.
None of this existed when Fuller began talking about a world game. And then something funny happened on the way to the twenty-first century: CNN, personal computers, CD ROMS, the Internet and worldwide web, supercomputer power on personal computers and reams of data about the world, its resources, problems and potential solutions started to bubble to the surface and transform the world and the way we communicate, do business, research and govern.
The World Game that Fuller envisioned was to be a place where individuals or teams of people came and competed, or cooperated, to:
Make the world work, for 100% of humanity, in the shortest possible time, through spontaneous cooperation, without ecological offense or the disadvantage of anyone.
Economist Kenneth Boulding proposed something similar as his emphasis shifted from focus on economics to general systems theory, of which he was a co-founder. The title of his book, The World as a Total System, is indicative of this, but as a committed Quaker, Boulding was, like Fuller, committed to world peace and distributed prosperity as an end-in-view. Another of his books is Human Betterment, for example. Conflict resolution was also high on his list. He was under no utopian illusions. But he believed that humans hold their destiny in their hands collectively as a species, if they would take ahold of it.

Foundationally, the quest comes back to the enduring question of ethics and social & political philosophy that was first proposed in the West by the Ancient Greeks — What is a good life in a good society? In order to deal with this comprehensively in an integrated fashion, all disciplines need to be brought to bear in a open and ongoing debate over the future of humanity as a species.

There's a saying, "Don't sweat the small stuff." But that does not mean that apparently small stuff can be overlooked. As Aquinas said at the outset of De ente et essentia, paraphrasing Aristotle, "A small mistake in the beginning is a big one in the end, according to the Philosopher in the first book of On the Heavens and the Earth."

The Case For Concerted Action
Interest Rate, Growth And Debt Sustainability
Ramanan

14 comments:

Matt Franko said...

Ram: "Foreign trade doesn’t just depend on price competitiveness but also on non-price competitiveness. "

If I assume what he means by 'non-price competitiveness" I think I would agree with this...

I assume he means other non-price specific preferences of consumers... which often can be seen to trump price alone...



NeilW said...

You start with the world as a closed economy, and then you have interacting currency zones which entities choose to belong to.

Some can, and do, belong to more than one - primarily the banks.

Once you get that model in place then the 'balance of payment' issue Ram keeps going on about goes away because the currency is, or at least can be, its own capital control.

You can't get out of a currency if nobody wants to buy it, so there is a liquidity constraint there. Which tends to lead to a halt in movement. That can be enhanced by implementing a policy of preventing banks from lending for currency trade settlement.

Once you go to currency zones, and *not* nation states, then you can see the control structure as the growing and shrinking of currency zones.

Much as wars are about territory, currency zones are about retaining entities within that zone to maintain the power of the currency issuer over those entities.

Keynes mistake was to choose the nation state as the accounting entity. And Ramanan continues to propagates that mistake. The national accounts are flawed because they operate in a reporting currency, which isn't necessarily the currency financial assets are denominated in.

The world doesn't stop at nation's borders. It is an artificial construction that leads to bad thinking, just as starting with 'government borrowing' leads to bad thinking.

NeilW said...

Tom,

The problem with Fuller's view is that it is one world idealism.

That isn't going to happen because humans are tribal.

One world idealism leads to totalitarianism.

The trick is designing something where an independent group of people can do what they want to do without necessarily preventing another group from doing what they want to do.

And that involves developing high cohesion within the grouping and reducing the coupling between the groups so that the knock on effects are buffered.

Which is exactly how you develop systems.

Ignacio said...

Right, so by design humans (and other living beings) are 'designed against cascading complexity collapse due to insufficient energy inputs.

Neo-liberalism and globalism wants to reverse that, because they are control freaks out of control themselves.

A world-trade system is building up complexity and instability. It requires a lot of energy input and efficient distribution of that energy. We arguably could have the first, we lack the second by a long shoot. In fact neo-liberals are all about inefficient distribution and hoarding surplus.

Hence the system will collapse eventually, with big fireworks.

Ralph Musgrave said...

According to Neil, “Banks are marginal businesses. They mark up…”. Yes: half the businesses in the country are “mark up” businesses. Every retail outlet is a mark up business. I’m baffled as to what the big significance of that is. Or rather I do know what the significance is: it completely irrelevant. It does not justify bank subsidies or subsidies of any other business.

Next: “The amount of private borrowing you permit vs public borrowing is a matter of policy for demand management.” Well demand CAN BE adjusted by adjusting borrowing, but as Bernanke and Bill Mitchell recently pointed out, that’s a poor way of adjusting demand. See:

http://www.pragcap.com/ben-bernanke-monetary-policy-is-weak-sauce?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

and

http://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/?p=30594

Moreover, if interest rate adjustments ARE USED to adjust demand (a decision taken incidentally by those wicked central bank committees which Neil claims to deplore), that still doesn’t justify bank subsidies.

“Under MMT you stop banks lending not by price…”. Hang on Neil: you just said that lending IS ADJUSTED by price, i.e. interest rate adjustments, didn’t you?

“…but by restricting what they can lend for.” I’m fascinated. Where are these MMTers who advocated restricting PARTICULAR FORMS of lending with a view to adjusting demand? Of course LONG TERM policy in respect of particular forms of lending (e.g. for NINJA mortgages or loan sharks) needs adjusting from time to time. But most MMTers (Roger Erickson in particular) advocate simply creating fiat and spending it when stimulus is needed.

NeilW said...

"It does not justify bank subsidies or subsidies of any other business. "

There's no subsidy of the bank. They are just middlemen doing the processing.

*The government* requires an amount of money lent into the economy filtered via a set of people who decide which projects receive the money and which don't.

The ZIRP process sets the interest rate to zero, provides an overdraft to the assessors and restricts what they can lend on to that which promotes *the capital development of the economy*.

Which comes down to MMT from Minsky as a way of narrowing the banks in a manner that will actually work. Because price doesn't do the job - it actually promotes ponzi schemes.

It's in Bill's writing and Randy's as well as Warren.

The gap in Effective Demand is then filled by setting tax and spending where they need to be - according to the rules of functional finance, with the cyclical part handled by a Job Guarantee and the auto-stabilisers.

"(a decision taken incidentally by those wicked central bank committees which Neil claims to deplore)"

Have you actually read the legislation?

Try reading the Bank of England Act 1998 Section 19

The magic trick isn't real Ralph. It is an illusion. They can't really levitate or shoot flames from their fingers.

And they most certainly can't constrain an elected government.

Matt Franko said...

Tom I dont know what Quakers believe but here:

"25 For I am not willing for you to be ignorant of this secret, brethren, lest you may be passing for prudent among yourselves, that callousness, in part, on Israel has come, until the complement of the nations may be entering." Rom 11:25

Its "nationS"... plural... the nations are going to be here with us until the end of this era...

So imo they are trying to jump the gun here...

That said, when they say here "But he believed that humans hold their destiny in their hands collectively"

I see no conflict with this statement about our (mankind's) current earthly authority to impose our own socio-economic justice and the fact that we will have multiple/many nations for the rest of this era...

mankind can certainly work together cooperatively within the current institutional setting of multiple nations .... we see it going on all the time...

Remember it is a "house divided against itself" that cannot stand not simply "a house divided"... these divisions create the "diversity" in your "celebrate diversity"...

It would be better today if we did not allow the accrual of foreign claims and instead would just run a fixed forex and reimburse the exporters 1:1 for any surpluses... if we dont want to do this then we shouldnt allow the exports in the first place and instead keep the products internal for our own nation's provision/consumption...

rsp

Tom Hickey said...

Neil: The problem with Fuller's view is that it is one world idealism.

Right. Fuller was an architect, who had naval experience, and his model was a ship, which has to be much more efficient than a building. He transferred that model to "Spaceship Earth," which became popular model at the time, Kenneth Boulding used it, too.

That was before the digital age and now the forward thinking is in terms of networks and systems, which is much more conducive to decentralization (subsidiarity) and democracy (participation).

I mention Fuller because he is the only one I know of that put together a world model in terms of stocks and flows wrt to resource availability and sustainable use consistent with population growth.

One astonishing feature of his model is global use of resources for military purpose. That alone is an eye-opener.

Tom Hickey said...

The modern nation state is a rather recent invention that replaced tribal governance in Europe. As such it is likely a passing phenomenon of history, just like the tribal systems based on kinship are being replaced by multi-ethnic and multi-cultural societies.

We have no idea now of how thing will develop other than they have to go from here to get there. Assuming jumps is improbable, although they do occur occasionally due to extreme circumstances like revolutions that upend an existing order.

Globalization implies greater internationalization, e.g., treaties are limitations on national sovereignty. So are international organizations, military alliances, etc. The world is already headed in that direction, although their is resistance from tribalism and nationalism.

There is a growing sense of world order based on global organization based on a rejection of the idea that nations should pursue their own interest at the expense of others or of the world order.

Malmo's Ghost said...

"The modern nation state is a rather recent invention that replaced tribal governance in Europe. As such it is likely a passing phenomenon of history, just like the tribal systems based on kinship are being replaced by multi-ethnic and multi-cultural societies.

So are you claiming multi-ethnic and multi-cultural societies are a passing phenomenon?

Tom Hickey said...

Far in the future the human race will be recognized as the human race if decentralization as subsidiarity and democracy as participation prevail. However, if some powerful interests interfere.e.g., genetically, as some now would like to see, things could turn out differently. But I am an optimist here. It seems to me that the bias of history is liberal in the broad sense of each recognizing oneself in all, which is the basis of universal rights.

Ignacio said...

Multiculturalism is a collapsing edifice which will also explode in big fireworks in Europe, of all places.

Multiculturalism already failed in USA, where the police is killing innocent "niggers" on daily basis.

It's a miracle we got almost rid of slavery, and I say almost because slavery is illegal in most countries, but society still enjoys modern slaves in the form of prostitution or cheap slave-labour even in the 'liberal' 'free' energy-sucking capitals of the world (like NY, London, Paris, etc.).

Humanity can be pure filth, and not much has really changed in the last 5k years. Evolution is very slow, and we now depend on something else than physiology to evolve, while maintaining the same primal animal forces at bay.

The white Caucasian educated elites have been enamoured with that idealism since the Enlightenment, while more often than not falling pray to their own animal contradictions. We keep making up those dreams, and they keep blowing up in pieces and blood is spread each several decades.

Do I need to remind that no longer than 2 decades ago there was brutal ethnic cleansing in the core of Europe (Balcans)? Probably a lot of that hatred built on top of poor economic conditions, the same way we are spreading that crap right now in Europe.

Technic does not involve necessarily evolution, we confuse the easiness of communication and transportation with an evolution in the minds of the people. And yet, you have dozens of daily examples on how this complete bullshit, with now the so modern social media being the preferred medium of propaganda both from western elites and brutal beheading religious extremists.

How novel, these concepts date probably to the first human tribe...

P.S: Matt, that would be good for stopping barbarians but all the business chain whose only goal in life is to hoard more money benefits from the current order. From the exporters, passing through financiers and insurers, to retail selling to the consumer.

Everybody but the consumer and the 99% benefits from it.

Ignacio said...

Only under cross-class and global prosperity we get further integration. But under the new feudal order there is no prosperity for everybody, so multiculturalism will only make things worse and spark the raise of anti-multicultural forces.

If a 'white-male caucasian' international worker movement was not able to prosper a century ago in Europe, I've many doubts that a multiracial/cultural/religious worker movement will raise to oppose the feudal forces at work.

Want to be wrong though!

Tom Hickey said...

@ ignacio

The nationalistic, fascistic, racist sector of humanity wants to ensure supremacy, which it believes is the basis of exceptionalism.

Many believe that the defeat of Nazism put this to bed, but there is going to be continued conflict over this and the outcome is uncertain.

This is part of what psychologists call the shadow, that aspect of oneself in which one is in denial. That shadow looms large, and therefore, humanity has not adequately confronted it.

But wait until climate change picks up and there are resource shortages and migrations.

Ain't gonna be pretty.